NO GOD EXISTS
I remember how I found out for definite that Father Christmas did not exist. I was about eight or nine years old and my mom was having a chat with my Aunty Sandra in the kitchen. Aunty Sandra was telling my mom about a horror movie she had watched. Apparently some kids in this film were trying to tell their mother that they had just seen Father Christmas, but because she "knew Father Christmas was not real" the mother dismissed them. I think this Father Christmas then went onto murder her, so that's a lesson for us all.
At the time it confirmed two things for me. Firstly, it confirmed my suspicion that adults were indeed making up the whole pile of horseshit about a man managing to shove presents down the chimneys of every house in the entire world in one 24 hour period. It had seemed unlikely for a number of years, but I had kept up a polite compliance in the idea out of a fear I would stop getting Christmas presents.
Secondly, it confirmed that my Aunty Sandra was a complete bitch. I think she knew full well that I was listening and that by casually revealing that Father Christmas did not exist knew she was snatching away a piece of my childhood innocence.
(she really was that type of woman. Fortunately we no longer have anything to with her and I presume she continues to live her life bringing tears to the eyes of small children.)
I remember too, the first time I realised that God did not exist. This time it was not my Aunty Sandra who gave the game away, but my English teacher, Mrs Hough (she of the hairy feet). To my shame I was quite old - seventeen - and we were reading Hamlet for A levels. I forget now exactly which part of the play it was, but our English teacher had to put some text in context of Christian belief at that time. This was something of a shocker to me. One of my many assumptions about Christianity was that Jesus had started it off and it had gone on the same ever since. If belief could change with time, even parts of a belief, then how it could it be truth?
Just this one question sent me off on the road to atheism. For the first time in my young little life I began to ask searching questions of religion and God and soon began to realise that all this, too, was horseshit.
(I will spare you the searching questions I asked and the answers I found that made me an atheist, as it would be less of a blog post and more of a slim volume of work. Perhaps I'll publish when I'm famous.)
With the arrogance of youth, I made an assumption that everyone else in the world would soon realise this too. No one needed to pretend to believe that a supernatural being was in charge of things anymore. We were a modern society. We had Duran Duran and Betamax. We were at the pinnacle of civilisation. We were brave and liberated with no more need of old superstitions.
Just the same as we grow out of believing in Father Christmas, I confidently thought to myself, we can't help but grow out of our primitive need for religion.
I think the time has come however to admit that, much to my puzzlement, that hasn't happened. If anything there seems to be more religion about than when Rio danced on the sand wearing her cherry icecream smile. The bloody thing is everywhere; causing all sorts of trouble that I believe you are probably aware of without me detailing. You'd think religious people would be embarrassed by the difficulties their faiths are causing, but rather than feeling the need to be slightly humble and apologetic, they just seem to be shouting at everyone that everything would all be alright if everyone just tolerated religion more.
"It's not us going around beating people over the head with a stick that is the problem, it's you being so intolerant of being beaten over the head with a stick that's the problem. Stop trying to bully us into stopping us hitting people over the head, accept us beating you over the head, and there will be no problem.
At the time it confirmed two things for me. Firstly, it confirmed my suspicion that adults were indeed making up the whole pile of horseshit about a man managing to shove presents down the chimneys of every house in the entire world in one 24 hour period. It had seemed unlikely for a number of years, but I had kept up a polite compliance in the idea out of a fear I would stop getting Christmas presents.
Secondly, it confirmed that my Aunty Sandra was a complete bitch. I think she knew full well that I was listening and that by casually revealing that Father Christmas did not exist knew she was snatching away a piece of my childhood innocence.
(she really was that type of woman. Fortunately we no longer have anything to with her and I presume she continues to live her life bringing tears to the eyes of small children.)
I remember too, the first time I realised that God did not exist. This time it was not my Aunty Sandra who gave the game away, but my English teacher, Mrs Hough (she of the hairy feet). To my shame I was quite old - seventeen - and we were reading Hamlet for A levels. I forget now exactly which part of the play it was, but our English teacher had to put some text in context of Christian belief at that time. This was something of a shocker to me. One of my many assumptions about Christianity was that Jesus had started it off and it had gone on the same ever since. If belief could change with time, even parts of a belief, then how it could it be truth?
Just this one question sent me off on the road to atheism. For the first time in my young little life I began to ask searching questions of religion and God and soon began to realise that all this, too, was horseshit.
(I will spare you the searching questions I asked and the answers I found that made me an atheist, as it would be less of a blog post and more of a slim volume of work. Perhaps I'll publish when I'm famous.)
With the arrogance of youth, I made an assumption that everyone else in the world would soon realise this too. No one needed to pretend to believe that a supernatural being was in charge of things anymore. We were a modern society. We had Duran Duran and Betamax. We were at the pinnacle of civilisation. We were brave and liberated with no more need of old superstitions.
Just the same as we grow out of believing in Father Christmas, I confidently thought to myself, we can't help but grow out of our primitive need for religion.
I think the time has come however to admit that, much to my puzzlement, that hasn't happened. If anything there seems to be more religion about than when Rio danced on the sand wearing her cherry icecream smile. The bloody thing is everywhere; causing all sorts of trouble that I believe you are probably aware of without me detailing. You'd think religious people would be embarrassed by the difficulties their faiths are causing, but rather than feeling the need to be slightly humble and apologetic, they just seem to be shouting at everyone that everything would all be alright if everyone just tolerated religion more.
"It's not us going around beating people over the head with a stick that is the problem, it's you being so intolerant of being beaten over the head with a stick that's the problem. Stop trying to bully us into stopping us hitting people over the head, accept us beating you over the head, and there will be no problem.
And besides, as well as beating people over the head we do really nice things too like visit old ladies and give soup to the poor. Therefore, shut up."
I think this is wrong. But it is hard to argue against religion these days. In the old days you were made to feel no worse than if you were an Aunty Sandra type. If you tried to tell a religious person that there was no God and religion was horseshit, however subtley, you were generally made out to be the sort of thug who would kick a crutch out from under a cripple. If people had a friend in Jesus, then who were you to malign that friendship? Who were you to try and take that away from someone? Nasty person. Just because there is no truth to what they believe in, doesn't mean you should point it out.
(I generally did anyway, and lost a few friends through it. Back then, speaking the truth seemed more important to me than friendship, now I have learned that a good friendship is worth keeping your gob shut for sometimes.)
Now however if you try and argue about religion you are aligned with the Stalinist regime or maligned as a racist. It is not only an act of thuggery these days, but you are singularly contributing to the type of climate that saw millions of Jews being systematically murdered across Europe in the last century apparently.
I look around me with bewilderment. Not only am I supposed to tolerate horseshit, but the reason I am supposed to tolerate horseshit is horseshit too.
These days stating the simple fact that there is no God feels like an act of sedition.
And I am tired, now, of arguing about whether or not there is a God. It is not up to me to prove a negative. If you are going to make ludicrous claims about supernatural beings running the world then it is up to you to prove that to me. And until you can prove there is a God, and no one has managed it yet despite the fact there are several Gods to pick from, then God is unproven and religion is horseshit and that's an end to that.
I am also tired of keeping quiet on this subject because I fear I may look intolerant. The fact is I am quite intolerant when it comes to people spouting nonsense, and the world might as well know it if it didn't already.
And so, dear reader, Scribbles' New Year's Resolution. Every time I see something in which God is talked about as if he actually exists and religion is talked about as something that is not based on nonsense, then I will hang it up here for all to see and do my act of sedition. I will point out that there is no God and that religion is horseshit. I don't mean to make small children cry. I hope instead to do my bit not to let total insanity and unreason overrun the entire planet. And we can't let Richard Dawkins do all the work.
I leave you with a quote from Goethe that I coincidentally came across last night as I was gathering thoughts in my head for this post:
"Truth has to be repeated time and again, as also the errors of the world are preached time and again, in fact, not by one or two, but by the masses"
I think this is wrong. But it is hard to argue against religion these days. In the old days you were made to feel no worse than if you were an Aunty Sandra type. If you tried to tell a religious person that there was no God and religion was horseshit, however subtley, you were generally made out to be the sort of thug who would kick a crutch out from under a cripple. If people had a friend in Jesus, then who were you to malign that friendship? Who were you to try and take that away from someone? Nasty person. Just because there is no truth to what they believe in, doesn't mean you should point it out.
(I generally did anyway, and lost a few friends through it. Back then, speaking the truth seemed more important to me than friendship, now I have learned that a good friendship is worth keeping your gob shut for sometimes.)
Now however if you try and argue about religion you are aligned with the Stalinist regime or maligned as a racist. It is not only an act of thuggery these days, but you are singularly contributing to the type of climate that saw millions of Jews being systematically murdered across Europe in the last century apparently.
I look around me with bewilderment. Not only am I supposed to tolerate horseshit, but the reason I am supposed to tolerate horseshit is horseshit too.
These days stating the simple fact that there is no God feels like an act of sedition.
And I am tired, now, of arguing about whether or not there is a God. It is not up to me to prove a negative. If you are going to make ludicrous claims about supernatural beings running the world then it is up to you to prove that to me. And until you can prove there is a God, and no one has managed it yet despite the fact there are several Gods to pick from, then God is unproven and religion is horseshit and that's an end to that.
I am also tired of keeping quiet on this subject because I fear I may look intolerant. The fact is I am quite intolerant when it comes to people spouting nonsense, and the world might as well know it if it didn't already.
And so, dear reader, Scribbles' New Year's Resolution. Every time I see something in which God is talked about as if he actually exists and religion is talked about as something that is not based on nonsense, then I will hang it up here for all to see and do my act of sedition. I will point out that there is no God and that religion is horseshit. I don't mean to make small children cry. I hope instead to do my bit not to let total insanity and unreason overrun the entire planet. And we can't let Richard Dawkins do all the work.
I leave you with a quote from Goethe that I coincidentally came across last night as I was gathering thoughts in my head for this post:
"Truth has to be repeated time and again, as also the errors of the world are preached time and again, in fact, not by one or two, but by the masses"


27 comments:
Great post, Scribbles. And I know now whom is my next anti-religious post is going to be dedicated to.
Cheers and HNY!
Just because there is no truth to what they believe in, doesn't mean you should point it out.
Actually, without recourse to some kind of divine knowledge, you can't say that - you can point out that arguments are fallacious, etc. but, without access to absolute knowledge about the universe, you can never really know that it isn't true.
God remains a possibility, even if there aren't any real arguments for His/Her/Its/Their actuality.
"God remains a possibility"
Well... given this and this and this and this (etc.), I'd have to say that anyone up there and in charge of things deserves a good kicking rather than grovelling adoration.
And given that god is generally supposed to be a moral example to us all rather than a capricious bastard, that kind of rules the idea out.
Not to metion the whole celestial chinateapot/flying spaghetti monster levels of evidence in god's favour.
So - good call, Scribbles.
I'm just saying that it's unscientific to rule out possibilities simply on lack of evidence. Open-mind and all that.
I don't think that maintaining a certain level of agnosticism about the whole thing rules out challenging the many crap comments and arguments which stem from the idea of a divine and transcendent being.
It's like someone suggesting that 'Take That' could one day put out a song which wasn't self-indulgent rubbish aimed at people with no musical taste - it's entirely possible, but I'd still spend a good week and a half doubled up in laughter at them.
(Eddie Izzard is on TV at the mo, tearing into creationism: "The theory of evolution has a few flaws, therefore... magic!")
"it is unscientific to rule out possibilities simply on lack of evidence"
It is totally scientific to rule out something based on lack of evidence.
Science is not going to look at something without evidence, shrug its shoulders, and give it the benefit of the doubt.
The way science works is to try and disprove its own theories. If despite its best efforts its theory still stands after rigorous testing, then we have fact.
There is no evidence for God. It is a theory that cannot be tested. It cannot become fact.
Science has not, probably cannot, explain everything, but that does not mean that therefore everything is possible. It isn't. My telephone is not going to get up and turn into a flying elephant. It is not possible for it to do that.
Don't hold your breath for a less self-indulgent Take That song either. There are laws to this universe and that one is well covered.
Oh and also, thank you everyone who actually managed to read all of this longer-than-usual post and well bloody done.
While somethings are argued from the point of science, I don't believe God is one of them. If we are looking for a God that is supernatural, how can we explain him through natural cause, or logical reasoning. If we want a God that is nothing more than another animal, a plant, or a weather pattern, then yes, God sure hasn't been proved in terms of science. But the trust of something greater than human ability, this is something that is proved personally to each heart, individually. A believer can't prove to non-believer God's existence, causing them in turn to believe. But, and maybe this is a personal view I hold, we should be sparks, by living our faith out, that intrigue people, cause them to open their heart to where the supernatural can IMPRESS truth upon that person's mind and heart....in the way that solidifies and proves God to that person in the way that will be proof enough for that specific mind and heart. That is all each person needs for belief, personal conviction, however acquired, (facts, divine revelation, or observance). Being honest like you are here in this post leaves you at the perfect point for God's power. Watch out. :) It is those who pretend, pose as believers but don't believe that find themselves stuck and complacent. Keep an open mind. Thanks for sharing.
Great post, and an excellent resolution - I think I'll join you in it :-)
God damnit! I'd written a long comment about science and certainty, then clicked on preview rather than submit - which isn't normally a problem, unless, like me, you then close the comments box.
Now I'm grumpy, and rushed for time, so I'll just say that the generalised nature of the God Hypothesis (where God is any transcendent deity-type thing) makes it impossible to definitively refute, without access to divine knowledge. You can't prove that God doesn't exists somewhere, in some form. So it remains a possibility.
However, "God is possible" can't be translated into anything other than "God is possible" - any argument based on His/Her/Its/ existence remains pure speculation has no weight in empirical terms. So you can't use it to say anything meaningful about the world or us.
"Scientifically proven" and "true", though related, aren't the same thing.
Emaline,
The problem is that, if you want it bad enough, you can will yourself to believe anything.
If what you say is true, then either God isn't able to reveal himself to the sceptical (which makes Him a rather strange deity), or people like Scribbles and myself are simply too stupid to realise his obvious existence.
Atheism requires faith:
Why not be an agnostic?
As Professor Joad might have said, 'It all depends on what you mean by God'.
Since our religion is from Judaism, it might be more helpful if we kept their 'law' of not having a word for God, once you have a word, people are apt to try to give concrete meaning to it, and that's where it all goes awry.
Erich Fromm's book, 'You Shall Be As Gods. A radical interpretation of the Old Testament', is a good place to learn about this. He says the Old Testament is the fight against idolatry. The worship of idols takes you away from religion and giving 'it' a name is a form of idolatry.
A big subject to try to deal with in a few sentences, try Erich Fromm's book, it would obviously tell you a lot more than I can.
Matt M. I sympathise with your loss of a comment, it's happened to me and I find I just can't write it a second time. Now I copy what I've written just in case something dumb happens as soon as I've written it and before I do anything else.
Well, Scribble, it is ready, it is dedicated to you. And it is loooong...
"It is totally scientific to rule out something based on lack of evidence."
Oh, and I beg to differ. Physics will be the case where many theories were offered with total lack of evidence, to be obtained much later.
This is quote a routine way of doing stuff in physics. Otherwise it may come to (almost) full stop.
And it is Scribbles, apologies.
snoopythegoon - you can start with a theory, but goddam does not that theory have to workable? In the case of God as a theory, wouldn't we expect, with a benevolent being in charge of the world, everything in the world to be great all the time? I tell you, if I was all knowing and all powerful we wouldn't have genocide, for instance.
Anyway, mute point. And thanks for the dedicated post on Simply Jews. It is a very good post.
Emaline - there is no such thing as the supernatural either.
What you are talking about is blind faith. You have blind faith in your God. Other people of another religion have blind faith in another God. And yet each religion says their God is the one true God.
Simply believeing something doesn't make it true, though I appreciate it makes it true for you.
Ligneus - thanks for the book tip, he sounds worth a read. I'm going to have an onslaught on Amazon soon.
Well said...I agree whole-heartedly :)
This is the never-ending debate if God truly exists coz' there's no scientific fact to prove that. True, there hasn't been any scientific proof that God does exist but there's just so many things in the world that man cannot prove scientifically.
Alright then Crizette, not scientific proof but some sort of evidence.
If I was to tell you that a flying lizard ruled the world and had ordered that everyone wear gold lame suits and spend one day a week eating worms, would you just accept that story and get on with it? Would you walk around in gold lama and eat worms just because someone told you that the flying lizard ordered everyone to do so?
Because there is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, between that story and the story of any God.
And yet people not only dress in certain ways, and eat certain things because of their God, they also fight wars in the name of their God. And before they kill, maim and torture in these wars they do not stop to question whether or not this God actually exists.
Humans obviously need some sort of invisible figure heads to worship or else they would not have invented them. But invented they are. The people of India worship their invented God and the people of Italy worship their invented God. The Romans had their gods, the Greeks had theirs. The Ancient Britons had theirs. There isn't a country that exists, or an age that has passed, that has not made up their explanation for the universe and it almost always involves some supernatural being.
It's not just about scientific proof, it's about seeing the world as it really is.
No God exists.
Exactly Scribbles! Btw...I don't believe in the Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy either.
I have to say that I enjoyed the post Scribbles. Well done.
Kim
Scribbles:
I enjoy reading your perspectives on life, and I hope the new year brings relief from migraines, etc.
Having recently passed the age of 50, I've a new personalized sense of the second law of thermodynamics (systems in isolation run down).
Regarding the god vs godlessness debate, years ago I remember seeing the following on one of those portable marquis set up next to an auto repair shop with the following:
There's three stages of a person's life:
1. believing in Santa Claus,
2. not believing in Santa Claus,
3. being Santa Claus.
Cheers
Better than ending up being your mother which is what seems to be happening to me.
(thanks btw!)
How can atheists be so sure, instead of just being agnostics? The fact that we're here at all in the first place already seems rather unlikely, yet here we are.
ISTR there is some stuff in the New Testament about not "wearing gold lame just because someone told you to" but instead you should stop and think about it (granted, not about whether or not God exists, but whether gold lame is really the sort of thing He would have in mind). It's probably in other religions too.
ISTR Islam counts Jews and Christians as worshipping the same God.
You are missing some key points that if you lie you have broken the 9th Commandment and the bible says in Rev 21:8 All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. We all need someone to take our punishment for us. The punishment for sinning is death and God's jail is hell. Go to my blog and read it all because it really says the truth according the bible and not man's or woman's opinion. Write me and give me your opinion about this.
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